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« Reply #75 on: October 16, 2005, 11:40:43 AM »

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Nike or not Nike, you are still paying similiar mark-up.  It's relative.  Do you drink Coffeebean?  $6/- for a ice blend that cost less than $0.5/- and you are not even drinking coffee, too much vanilla taste soy by-product added.  The soy bean were genetically modified and planted by famer in Brazil.


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Yes, they taste good. I buy the powder and blend it myself at home, it work out to about $1.20 a cup.

So, base you your logic, you should not drink it as they make more than 600% and dump the ice blend to you.

It's also not real coffee, but with lots of soy by-product added....the creaming vanilla taste.


I did some snooping on Coffeebean/Starbucks...

Coffee powder you can buy off the shelf are not 100% coffee actually. Ever wonder why the powder is black when the beans are green and the roasted beans are brown? Its 1 part Coffee beans and 3 parts sugar. Visit any coffee powder factory and you'll see that the floor is black all the time due to excessive sugar usage.

As for Coffeebean/Starbucks, they use 100% pure coffeebeans and grind them into powder on the spot. I worked out the cost of making a cup yourself, its about $2-3 including rental/staff costs.

So yes, you still lose $2-3 compared to making it yourself. But do you really want to spend a coupld hundred bucks on the machine?
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« Reply #76 on: October 16, 2005, 11:44:39 AM »

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Nike or not Nike, you are still paying similiar mark-up.  It's relative.  Do you drink Coffeebean?  $6/- for a ice blend that cost less than $0.5/- and you are not even drinking coffee, too much vanilla taste soy by-product added.  The soy bean were genetically modified and planted by famer in Brazil.


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Yes, they taste good. I buy the powder and blend it myself at home, it work out to about $1.20 a cup.

So, base you your logic, you should not drink it as they make more than 600% and dump the ice blend to you.

It's also not real coffee, but with lots of soy by-product added....the creaming vanilla taste.


I did some snooping on Coffeebean/Starbucks...

Coffee powder you can buy off the shelf are not 100% coffee actually. Ever wonder why the powder is black when the beans are green and the roasted beans are brown? Its 1 part Coffee beans and 3 parts sugar. Visit any coffee powder factory and you'll see that the floor is black all the time due to excessive sugar usage.

As for Coffeebean/Starbucks, they use 100% pure coffeebeans and grind them into powder on the spot. I worked out the cost of making a cup yourself, its about $2-3 including rental/staff costs.

So yes, you still lose $2-3 compared to making it yourself. But do you really want to spend a coupld hundred bucks on the machine?
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« Reply #77 on: October 17, 2005, 02:41:44 AM »

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Hi Nik,
How did you conclude that SI-limited is owned by Walton?



On the same page iteself.....

"Investment Manager

Walton Asset Management is part of the Walton International Group, which has been helping people to achieve their financial goals for over 20 years. Their innovative approach to wealth creation has attracted investors from all over the world at all economic levels. The Group currently has over $350,000,000 of assets under management, Walton Asset Management was formed to develop innovative investment products and services to compliment the mainstream of the Group's business. The fund offers the investor a higher than bank rate regular income on their capital along with complete security on their initial investment and capital appreciation upon sale at the development phase of the underlying assets.

 Walton Asset Management will establish independent valuations of all assets, which will be held in security within a custodial facility on behalf of investors. The management of the land and mortgage assets will be delegated to the Investment Advisers: Walton International Group and Westmount Mortgage Corporation.

Investment Advisers

Walton International Group are headquartered in Calgary, Canada and with North American offices in Edmonton, Vancouver and Saskatoon. International offices are based in China, Hong Kong, Japan, Malaysia and Singapore with further expansion planned. Walton is currently the largest controller of land within the city limits of Calgary, and also controls a significant amount of land within the city limits of Edmonton. By understanding these cities and their growth patterns, they are able to offer low risk, high return investment opportunities to their clients. Acquisitions are guided by a single philosophy: to buy land that will be attractive to developers. The quality and execution of this process is the cornerstone of providing substantial investment returns to their world-wide clients. Walton International Group follows four crucial stages of development to maximize investor returns: acquisition, syndication, development of the concept plan, and initialization of the development phase.

Westmount Mortagage Corporation founded in 1973, provides financing for the Groups clients of up to 75% of the property value and is a sister company of Walton International Group. By utilizing this mortgage facility, Walton is able to provide a fixed income to mortgage investors."
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« Reply #78 on: October 17, 2005, 09:23:31 AM »

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Hi Nik,
How did you conclude that SI-limited is owned by Walton?



On the same page iteself.....

"Investment Manager

Walton Asset Management is part of the Walton International Group, which has been helping people to achieve their financial goals for over 20 years. Their innovative approach to wealth creation has attracted investors from all over the world at all economic levels. The Group currently has over


Aiyo. Perhaps you have not drop by this page yet,
http://www.si-ltd.com/ser_products.asp

Take a look at the "Geared Funds" from Dominion PCC, click on the "Geared Funds". In that page, you will see full write up on Dominion PCC.
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Dominion

Dominion PCC and its funds have been created with the aim of providing the most efficient and transparent means of investing in Leveraged With Profit Funds while maintaining excellent potential and managing risk.

Dominion X Funds’ potential for performance is explained in the Dominion PCC section as well as in the Underlying Assets section, the transparency topic is addressed in this section, where potential Investors and actual Shareholders can download all the relevant documentation related to the fund, as well as find all the Announcements issued since the fund’s inception.

Dominion PCC

Dominion PCC is a Protected Cell Company, which is to say an open ended umbrella fund domiciled in Guernsey and regulated by the Guernsey Financial Services Commission. The fund range initially consists of the Dominion X Funds, 12 funds which aim to reach above average performance through leveraged investment into two of the world’s most successful and largest With Profits funds. Main features of the X funds are:

    * Available in 2 currencies: Euro or USD;
    * 3 basic options, two of which are leveraged: X0 (Medium risk), X1 (Medium to High risk), X2 (Aggressive Higher risk);
    * 2 Underlying asset types: Prudential or Norwich Union With Profits funds;
    * Weekly pricing;
    * Monthly redemptions;
    * Possibility to further manage risk, through diversifying the investment in a mix of currencies, underlying asset types and leveraging factors.


The description in that page essentially covers the product background and detail. As the land fund is based on Walton's land, thus the product background and details are Walton.

Noticed in the Product page, that Walton land fund is only 1 of their product, out of 22 others.

Take a look and correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #79 on: October 17, 2005, 09:32:49 AM »

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Hi Nik,
How did you conclude that SI-limited is owned by Walton?



On the same page iteself.....

"Investment Manager

Walton Asset Management is part of the Walton International Group, which has been helping people to achieve their financial goals for over 20 years. Their innovative approach to wealth creation has attracted investors from all over the world at all economic levels. The Group currently has over


Aiyo. Perhaps you have not drop by this page yet,
http://www.si-ltd.com/ser_products.asp

Take a look at the "Geared Funds" from Dominion PCC, click on the "Geared Funds". In that page, you will see full write up on Dominion PCC.
Code:
Dominion

Dominion PCC and its funds have been created with the aim of providing the most efficient and transparent means of investing in Leveraged With Profit Funds while maintaining excellent potential and managing risk.

Dominion X Funds’ potential for performance is explained in the Dominion PCC section as well as in the Underlying Assets section, the transparency topic is addressed in this section, where potential Investors and actual Shareholders can download all the relevant documentation related to the fund, as well as find all the Announcements issued since the fund’s inception.

Dominion PCC

Dominion PCC is a Protected Cell Company, which is to say an open ended umbrella fund domiciled in Guernsey and regulated by the Guernsey Financial Services Commission. The fund range initially consists of the Dominion X Funds, 12 funds which aim to reach above average performance through leveraged investment into two of the world’s most successful and largest With Profits funds. Main features of the X funds are:

    * Available in 2 currencies: Euro or USD;
    * 3 basic options, two of which are leveraged: X0 (Medium risk), X1 (Medium to High risk), X2 (Aggressive Higher risk);
    * 2 Underlying asset types: Prudential or Norwich Union With Profits funds;
    * Weekly pricing;
    * Monthly redemptions;
    * Possibility to further manage risk, through diversifying the investment in a mix of currencies, underlying asset types and leveraging factors.


The description in that page essentially covers the product background and detail. As the land fund is based on Walton's land, thus the product background and details are Walton.

Noticed in the Product page, that Walton land fund is only 1 of their product, out of 22 others.

Take a look and correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #80 on: February 19, 2006, 04:45:33 PM »

Hey Guys,

If you guys wanna find out another way to invest in land banking other then the 3 companies mentioned, please feel free to email me at fluke_inc@hotmail.com. Hope to hear from you guys.
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« Reply #81 on: March 04, 2006, 11:04:48 AM »

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Hey Guys,

If you guys wanna find out another way to invest in land banking other then the 3 companies mentioned, please feel free to email me at fluke_inc@hotmail.com. Hope to hear from you guys.


Care to elaborate?
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« Reply #82 on: March 10, 2006, 09:51:57 AM »

Hey Capital3001,

Thanks for responsing. Can you email me at fluke_inc@hotmail.com? Thanks!
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« Reply #83 on: April 20, 2006, 07:32:49 PM »

Hi everyone.

I really enjoyed reading the posts in this forum. I see many skeptics about this Land Banking and quite frankly I will have to say that I was one of them as well so I can fully understand where those guys come from.

Still, I was very interested to make money but I always managed to save some money but not enough to buy big properties and make investments from the unit rentals, so I started looking in buying the land and companies who do it.

I also wanted to buypass big companies like Walton and get my own piece of land but realising that I need to come up with a couple of millions to start and then develop the land if just out of my league, so I reseached the variety of options.

With Waltons, the investment starts at 80 K. This also was high for me to start so I invested with a smaller company, getting my feet wet only at $12500, the amount I was willing to lose if something goes wrong.

I was told that it will take aproximatelly 5 years to increase the value of the money with profits and then the sale proposal will be discussed with all the owners. I also have a land title so this made me at peace about my ownerhip. My land value doubled in one year, and two and a half years later, the company put forth a proposal to sell the land to a builder for three times the money. I received the cheque and invested a part of my profits to fly to Alberta to check the company and their new ventures.

I was really impressed as there were other 1000 acres to choose from.

If you guys have doubt about Land Banking, please contact me. I also joined as a consultant as I proved to myself that investing in land was way more profitable then investing in real estate.

Think about it - you can do nothing or you can became a land owner and have sizeable profits in your pocket 3-5 years down the road. And keep in mind - they do not make land any more. It is wise investment.

Bruce
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« Reply #84 on: April 20, 2006, 07:34:08 PM »

Hi everyone.

I really enjoyed reading the posts in this forum. I see many skeptics about this Land Banking and quite frankly I will have to say that I was one of them as well so I can fully understand where those guys come from.

Still, I was very interested to make money but I always managed to save some money but not enough to buy big properties and make investments from the unit rentals, so I started looking in buying the land and companies who do it.

I also wanted to buypass big companies like Walton and get my own piece of land but realising that I need to come up with a couple of millions to start and then develop the land if just out of my league, so I reseached the variety of options.

With Waltons, the investment starts at 80 K. This also was high for me to start so I invested with a smaller company, getting my feet wet only at $12500, the amount I was willing to lose if something goes wrong.

I was told that it will take aproximatelly 5 years to increase the value of the money with profits and then the sale proposal will be discussed with all the owners. I also have a land title so this made me at peace about my ownerhip. My land value doubled in one year, and two and a half years later, the company put forth a proposal to sell the land to a builder for three times the money. I received the cheque and invested a part of my profits to fly to Alberta to check the company and their new ventures.

I was really impressed as there were other 1000 acres to choose from.

If you guys have doubt about Land Banking, please contact me. I also joined as a consultant as I proved to myself that investing in land was way more profitable then investing in real estate.

Think about it - you can do nothing or you can became a land owner and have sizeable profits in your pocket 3-5 years down the road. And keep in mind - they do not make land any more. It is wise investment.

Bruce
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« Reply #85 on: April 23, 2006, 10:02:37 AM »

Here we go again...

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With Waltons, the investment starts at 80 K. This also was high for me to start so I invested with a smaller company, getting my feet wet only at $12500, the amount I was willing to lose if something goes wrong.

Land investment with W, B and PP starts below S$15K-S$20K. Perhaps you were introduced to an expensive project.

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I was told that it will take aproximatelly 5 years to increase the value of the money with profits

Increased in value starts much earlier than that, one can conduct a land valuation to determine the value of the pre-exit land. If it were to only start 5 yrs onwards, I would've likely avoided land banking in the first place.

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I was really impressed as there were other 1000 acres to choose from.

Name of projects that adds up to 1000 acres?

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If you guys have doubt about Land Banking, please contact me. I also joined as a consultant as I proved to myself that investing in land was way more profitable then investing in real estate.

Best wishes to your career in land banking. In general, I think this form of asset is to date among the best yield investment around - provided that the company itself is not a fly by night.
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« Reply #86 on: April 23, 2006, 01:35:59 PM »

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Hi everyone.


With Waltons, the investment starts at 80 K. This also was high for me to start so I invested with a smaller company, getting my feet wet only at $12500, the amount I was willing to lose if something goes wrong.

Bruce
safesurfing@hotmail.com


What's the name of this smaller company?
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« Reply #87 on: March 24, 2007, 02:20:16 PM »

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Nike or not Nike, you are still paying similiar mark-up.  It's relative.  Do you drink Coffeebean?  $6/- for a ice blend that cost less than $0.5/- and you are not even drinking coffee, too much vanilla taste soy by-product added.  The soy bean were genetically modified and planted by famer in Brazil.

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Yes, they taste good. I buy the powder and blend it myself at home, it work out to about $1.20 a cup.

So, base you your logic, you should not drink it as they make more than 600% and dump the ice blend to you.

It's also not real coffee, but with lots of soy by-product added....the creaming vanilla taste.

I did some snooping on Coffeebean/Starbucks...

Coffee powder you can buy off the shelf are not 100% coffee actually. Ever wonder why the powder is black when the beans are green and the roasted beans are brown? Its 1 part Coffee beans and 3 parts sugar. Visit any coffee powder factory and you'll see that the floor is black all the time due to excessive sugar usage.

As for Coffeebean/Starbucks, they use 100% pure coffeebeans and grind them into powder on the spot. I worked out the cost of making a cup yourself, its about $2-3 including rental/staff costs.

So yes, you still lose $2-3 compared to making it yourself. But do you really want to spend a coupld hundred bucks on the machine?

Dear Carrotcake

Don't jump the gun, I was talking about ICE BLEND. Not black coffee.
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« Reply #88 on: March 24, 2007, 02:28:16 PM »

Interesting to find this thread still around after almost 2 years.

Just an updated, one of the project I've invested with Walton "Churchhill heights" exited late last year.
The money is in by end of Feb 07 and we are waiting for it to be credit into our banks accounts (after tax deduction)
Me & a few friends exited together in this project and are all very happy investors.

Earlier last year, 3 other friends exited.  2 of them re-invested in other projects, one cash-out
due to the favourable exchange rate.

I'm cashing out too. Funding other investments as I didn't see a good project with Walton currently.
Those late comer missed the good projects.

Those who are still thinking.  I hope you have invested your money well during this period of time.

I've taken some of my coming 'profit' and 'invested' them in advance in some businesses in Africa.

Visit the following URL and see how to make your money work harder. I believe you will also do what I did.
http://www.kiva.org/lender/kevin7069

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« Reply #89 on: March 25, 2007, 03:00:23 AM »

Congratulation to you, Kevin,

My project EE will only exit on 2010. Cannot wait for it to be my turn.  grin

IMO, I have no doubt abt Walton ability to generate profit, but transparency will be a plus.

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