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« on: September 28, 2008, 05:19:03 AM »

Hi everyone at Project:Senso!

I am really glad to have found such a great resource to improve my financial literacy.

In endeavouring to put into practice what I had learnt about increasing my networth, I encountered numerous roadblocks.

Due to my age (I am 19), I am unable to invest in stocks through online stock trading firms like POEMS, fundsupermart, and DollarDEX. I can be a joint applicant instead, but my parents are extremely risk-adverse. Does that mean my only option is to wait till I am 21?

I am serving National Service now, hence I am unable to set up my own business or earn money (moonlight). According to ACRA, I am unable to register a business until I am 21.

My question is whether there are other avenues whereby I can start a business or invest without facing age discrimination? This is a question on the minds of many of my peers as well.

I'll start. I think being a social entrepreneur could be a starting point. It is a means to get acquainted with the business scene and tap into valuable networks and gain contacts for the future. SYINC seeks to groom social entrepreneurs. Through SYINConnect I found inspiring role models in Elim Chew, founder of 77th Street; Jack Sim, founder of WTO; Alfie Othman, founder of PERTAPIS.

Where does the young entrepreneur start?
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2008, 07:12:38 AM »

Start out as a Internet Entrepreneur, whereby a guy aged 13 can start doing selling.
Start the Business with zero money down... simply by using blog and eBay to sell products.  Only when you master marketing, then it is advisable for you to dump money into a physical business.

All entrepreneur, must be a salesman and marketer, if you arent able to sell yourself, you arent able to sell your products. Start from small, and use other pple products to sell.  Do business with zero money down, start affliate marketing.  that is business 101.  Only upon ability to sell things on the Internet, and sell things without much risk... and too much resources,

Business is not about making money, but about creating value for people, if you manage that, and master that, you learn what is business.
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2008, 07:18:43 AM »

I am still learning...
Investment is a game that should be done after you have setup a busines that can give you continuous recurring income.  Only upon you always have
continuous cashflow, investment will deem as a last resort for cash rich.

Risk adverse, for parents, becos money is not easy to earn...
So as a 19 year old, learn how to earn before you invest, and dont dump into
any outragreous program that give outragrous earning value.

Money is not easy to earn.  Start from small, Bill Gates start his business from 1000 usd. Only when pple are able to understand and use your value can you prosper.   

the more I know the more I realise that I dont really know. The world is too big to dump all the knowledge in the tiny head of mine.   Leverage the resources from others.
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2008, 11:05:49 AM »

Sounds like a good idea! We are living in the Information Age after all.

I do feel that investing in stocks with the little financial capital that I have is too time consuming for the returns.

Does anyone else think that online marketing is the way to go, or has something else to share?

Francis, can you tell me a little about how you came into the business of selling Antimos and Super Timber?
How did you go about developing the two businesses?

Thanks for the swift reply!
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2008, 12:53:36 PM »

Leverage the resources from others. 
and do what you are best at...

Start a business, you dont need to control everything, just control the core value that you are able to give to your supplier and consumer. and outsource most of the things, if possible.

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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2008, 10:04:43 AM »

Hello Edwin,

Welcome aboard!

I officially started my first business when I was 16 via the assistance of my mentor; when there's a will there's a way.

You can always do anything as long as you can find another way, as long as it isn't illegal.

The new "buzzword" of being a social entrepreneur and the distorted image given by many people is that 1.) Social entrepreneurship is just doing good and 2.) make some money on the side. It cannot be further from the truth. A social enterprise has a doubly difficult role in the fact that it not only needs to bother about having a strong operational business team but one that also addresses clear social needs, thus having a double bottom line; the impression I get from many of the ra-ra cheerleaders of "social enterprise" is that they 1.) have no actual entrepreneurship experience, 2.) have minimal work experience and 3.) been focusing only on social work.

To really run a decent social enterprise, first get your entrepreneurship abilities right, then address your social elements later. No point doing something with good intentions but failing to sustain it later due to bad fundamentals.

Most of the still-existing young entrepreneurs I know of work with a mentor cum partner; the others that I saw run gung-ho with friends and buddies ra-ra-ing behind them tend to either 1.) drop out within a year or 2.) have no fundamentals in what they are doing or 3.) dropping the ball on their project, adversely affecting their clients, beneficiaries and wards.

My suggestions are to:

1.) Get more work experience; train your eyes towards the skill of spotting opportunities.
2.) Mingle with the right people; you don't expect to learn brain surgery from a butcher. Both cut meat, but that doesn't make them one and the same.
3.) Get a mentor of which you can commit at least 6 months in working together with, and whom has expertise that can be shared with you.

Hi everyone at Project:Senso!

I am really glad to have found such a great resource to improve my financial literacy.

In endeavouring to put into practice what I had learnt about increasing my networth, I encountered numerous roadblocks.

Due to my age (I am 19), I am unable to invest in stocks through online stock trading firms like POEMS, fundsupermart, and DollarDEX. I can be a joint applicant instead, but my parents are extremely risk-adverse. Does that mean my only option is to wait till I am 21?

I am serving National Service now, hence I am unable to set up my own business or earn money (moonlight). According to ACRA, I am unable to register a business until I am 21.

My question is whether there are other avenues whereby I can start a business or invest without facing age discrimination? This is a question on the minds of many of my peers as well.

I'll start. I think being a social entrepreneur could be a starting point. It is a means to get acquainted with the business scene and tap into valuable networks and gain contacts for the future. SYINC seeks to groom social entrepreneurs. Through SYINConnect I found inspiring role models in Elim Chew, founder of 77th Street; Jack Sim, founder of WTO; Alfie Othman, founder of PERTAPIS.

Where does the young entrepreneur start?
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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2008, 10:40:31 AM »

Hi Edwin,

I do agree with the earlier post of trying your hand at an online business, considering your age.

Before you do that, don't go jumping on the first thing (product or service) that you lay eyes on. Whatever you do, you want to do it not just for the money, but be and remain happy doing it for the long run. So you gotta be able to sustain it and pace yourself emotionally. I'm talking about finding your right product/service/niche/calling.

What would you be happy and passionate about after 6 months or 1 year doing it, even with little or no success?

A few of questions to guide you along to determine your calling/product/service:
1) What do you do really well? (I'm not talking about what you want to do well, but what you REALLY do well for a fact, whether you like it or not.)

2) What are you really passionate about and are at peace with it? (It's like you're really in love with your gf and can just be contented staring at her for hours on end, no need to have a conversation. You can't stop thinking about her or talk about her and in your heart, you feel right, at peace. Now, find that girlfriend as a business, because that can become your 'wife' as a business entity).

3) Once you can answer the above 2 questions and decided on what you want to do, Visualise what you want to come true. This may sound like the rest of the personal development yada, but it holds true. What you're most attracted to, think about and are passionate about, comes about. You want to do this everyday. It's not the length of time that matters, but the intensity of your feeling towards it that matters.

I wasn't clear about what we wanted to do or sell when I started my first with 3 other guys and we ended up folding up after 1 year. Waste of time and energy, but gained good experience setting up a company.

I wish you well in your online business, if you're doing it.

Oh yes, whatever you do, have an international perspective about it. It should be able to cater or sell to the rest of the world. Being able to cater to our local Sg market alone is just too small to grow in this ever homogenous market.
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« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2008, 05:45:15 AM »

I like lordsouth answer. hahaha..Find a business that's like your girlfriend or wife. haha...I guess it can sound that way but if you are the kind who starts and sells a business away, then I think the wife part doesn't really stick hor...

Anyway I started my business with almost zero dollars and I did not register that business either. That was more like a phase. It was a time that I need to know the basic steps of registering a business, looking for partners, affiliates, getting to build contacts and what more find TRUST worthy people and really learn how to sell.

So i guess for you. This is the time to really test out your ideas. A very senior lawyer once told me when i was 17. "Find a friend, buzz some ideas and get it going"..I guess I picked up from there.

So yeah I'm giving you the same advice here. At your age, its the best time to really find friends of the same interest and passion. Then just start something. Run and event, knock doors, sell stuff..anything. Test test test your ideas. Eventually something will come to you and you will love to do that for a business.

So good luck!!


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