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« Reply #90 on: March 25, 2007, 07:25:19 AM »

I've taken some of my coming 'profit' and 'invested' them in advance in some businesses in Africa.

Visit the following URL and see how to make your money work harder. I believe you will also do what I did.
http://www.kiva.org/lender/kevin7069
Thank-you for introducing Kiva.

After spending a few hours reading about Kiva, I am convinced about their business model and have invested with 2 micro-businesses.

Hope that Kiva will eventually have a model that benefit the lenders, rather than just breakeven.

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« Reply #91 on: March 25, 2007, 07:30:04 AM »

Thanks for responsing. Can you email me at fluke_inc@hotmail.com? Thanks!
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« Reply #92 on: March 25, 2007, 04:43:01 PM »

2010?  Better pay up and don't waste money on the interest.You should have bought those that has shorter waiting time.
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« Reply #93 on: March 29, 2007, 03:15:01 PM »

Thanks for your advice.

I have thought over that issue before, but since the projected yearly return is around 48%, there is sufficient buffer to earn a high return when exit.
Anyway it is the number game with Land investment.


2010?  Better pay up and don't waste money on the interest.You should have bought those that has shorter waiting time.
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« Reply #94 on: April 01, 2007, 07:35:37 AM »

I've taken some of my coming 'profit' and 'invested' them in advance in some businesses in Africa.

Visit the following URL and see how to make your money work harder. I believe you will also do what I did.
http://www.kiva.org/lender/kevin7069
Thank-you for introducing Kiva.

After spending a few hours reading about Kiva, I am convinced about their business model and have invested with 2 micro-businesses.

Hope that Kiva will eventually have a model that benefit the lenders, rather than just breakeven.




Glad you find it a great avenue to change the world.   I understand there is
another group trying to do something similar and returning some interest to the investors, but
frankly, I can't trust them as they seem to be positioning themselves as a 'banker'  aka like
pay-pal and hoping to profit from it.

Granted, nothing wrong for social enterprise to make money, but I rather park my money with
people like kiva who are clear in their objectives and pure in their operation.  I donated to
thier salary & sushil fund (read their blog) to encourage them.

Are you keen to work together to help promote Kiva in our region?
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« Reply #95 on: April 01, 2007, 07:38:16 AM »

Thanks for your advice.

I have thought over that issue before, but since the projected yearly return is around 48%, there is sufficient buffer to earn a high return when exit.
Anyway it is the number game with Land investment.


2010?  Better pay up and don't waste money on the interest.You should have bought those that has shorter waiting time.

Project returns is before your calculate your interest paid.  After you deduct the interest, it may not be as high.

The +ve  growth in exchange rate is a ++ to us right now.  Just reduce your interest risk if the project delay.
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« Reply #96 on: May 07, 2007, 09:25:41 AM »

I see that property prices are booming
here in Singapore and while this is happening
I'm wary of the potential bubble burst with the
recent development of some market corrections.

Anyone in favor of malaysia's properties?

Would like to hear from fellow investors in
our neighbouring country.

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« Reply #97 on: May 07, 2007, 01:55:09 PM »

Investment of property in Malaysia very much depends on location and the developer. Property developers rushed to tap into the rising demand 3 years ago and created too high a supply vs demand.

There are good areas like Mont Kiara, KL(by Sunrise), Sierramas(by Tan & Tan Properties) and Kota Kemuning in Shah Alam that will command a high price years after launching. Some areas like Sentul and Damansara Perdana got too congested and prices dropped.
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« Reply #98 on: September 24, 2007, 03:54:33 AM »


-Walton bought the Land from Canada and mark up price 300 to 600% before dumping to us.

If you do some homework, then perhaps this can be avoided or rebuted.

-If returns so good, why sell to us? Why not just keep it for themselves?

Same applies for all investments. If currencies, stocks, commodities, land & wine investments all have good returns, why are banks not keeping it all for themselves? Simply applying the concept of Money roll money dear.
Why should they jam up all their assets on one investment, when they can help others invest, and still make commission out of it?

-Walton Singapore is a $2 company despite their claims of being cash rich.

There are a lot of big companies who are $1. Be glad at Walton is $2.
Paid-up capital does not necessarily mean much. They do not have to have the X amount to declare that they can be sued for X amount.



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« Reply #99 on: September 28, 2007, 01:59:39 PM »


-If returns so good, why sell to us? Why not just keep it for themselves?

Same applies for all investments. If currencies, stocks, commodities, land & wine investments all have good returns, why are banks not keeping it all for themselves? Simply applying the concept of Money roll money dear.
Why should they jam up all their assets on one investment, when they can help others invest, and still make commission out of it?

The same do not apply for all investments. First of all, no other investments purport to return so much with so little risk.

A simple relationship that exists for all investments can be stated as such:

Expected Returns of investment = Risk free return + Risk Premium

From this comes the famous adage "more risks, more returns". (or "less risks, less returns") Investment in financial instruments is basically a process of taking on risk to earn a reward. As such, anything that gives too much return for too little risks gets pounced on by everyone until its return is in line with its risk.

For example: If govt bonds return 10% but we can borrow from banks at 5%, people will borrow max and invest in bonds to make an arbitrage profit of 5%.

Banks and anyone with money are in fact keeping all the good stuff to themselves while selling assets that they find unattractive. (Commissions earned > Return of asset, accounting for risk)

Hence, as a rule of thumb, if anything returns more than the stock index (which thousands of mutual fund managers with billions of dollars under management are trying to beat) with less risks, then it would be prudent for investors to ask: "If it is so good, why aren't they keeping it for themselves?"

(Currencies aren't "investment" btw)
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« Reply #100 on: January 12, 2008, 11:22:17 AM »

Latest Update.

Many things, only time can prove. The "Walton" type of salesman will preach that Land-Banking is a low risk high return (or something along this line) investment.  This is in actual fact something very misleading. Land-Banking is in truest fact a high risk high return investment.

Personally experience: a close friend had bought into Walton Land-Banking for about 7-9 years, and at the end he has difficulty finding buyers and eventually had to cut loss to let go his piece.
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« Reply #101 on: June 07, 2008, 02:05:28 AM »

Profitable Plots - land bank scheme or scam!
Kevin Jones, Stephen Quayle and Ian McCallum are now in Sunny Spain, and Richard Willoughby is still in the UK thinking that he is safe. All four individuals have been involved in a BIG Scam, and you have still done nothing. They have got away with millions of peoples money.
COPY SENT TWO YEARS AGO TO THE MONEY LAUNDERING ORGANISATION
This could possibly be the most significant letter you will have received this decade. I am about to share with you a multi million pound scam that still continues to flourish in the UK today. This scam has been protected by individuals who are abusing a major loophole in the law; this particular loophole is not regulated by law, so there is a major case of abuse going on as we speak.
(Now I am not questioning the legality of the scheme as I have checked this out with a friend of mine at the CID. What I do question is if this partnership that you will hear about is indeed paying tax or VAT or NIC, I believe they are paying none).
As you read on you will find out that this elaborate scam does exist, and I would like to sate that everything I share with you can be backed up with documented evidence as to the validity of the scam. The very essence of the scam involves the buying and selling of Land but before I go into detail allow me to share a secret with you of how it all came about.
About two and a half years ago a company was formed in the UK called (CLB), Capital Land Bank Ltd. Registration Number 04510111. The mission of this company was to buy cheap greenbelt land, divide the land into smaller plots and then offer these plots to the general public as a brilliant investment, which they successfully did.
There is a company called Property Spy who have been successfully doing this for quite some time now, so the people behind CLB just had to copy an existing platform, and if they did the same thing, then they would obviously achieve the same result. Well, over two and a half years later they have pocketed several millions and laundered the money to Spain .
There is no law in this country that has any legal right to pertaining to land being purchased then sub divided. Any individual can buy a plot of land, divide this land up with the help of an architect, and forward the proposal to HML registry to obtain smaller plots all with their own title deeds. Then these smaller plots are sold off in individual portions as a brilliant investment. They tell the prospective buyer that the land will eventually get planning consent and they will make 10-15 times their investment.
First of all I would like to state that greenbelt land is just that, greenbelt and you cannot give any indication as to the date it will get planning, why? Because know body knows.
In the beginning the company CLB raised funds by offering people they knew an opportunity to get involved on the ground floor as affiliates. Affiliates could recommend other would be punters and receive a 15% commission.
The individuals who are behind this scam are the very same people who were the founder members of the ostrich farming corporation scam; this was closed down by the DTI.
There are three companies who are all associated with the initial company Capital Land Bank; their details will be reviled in the letter. Currently glossy literature is mailed out to interested punters who call in from the national advertising campaign.
Although it is an expensive exercise to send out a DVD and glossy brochures to potential buyers, it becomes apparent that when a plot of land is sold, on average a profit of some ?10,000 is made every time, making this a very lucrative business indeed. All the land company does is pay the sales rep 10-15% commission, and pockets the difference.
Usually for every 20-30 business packs that are sent out which include a glossy brochure and DVD you will find one or two people will part with the minimum required which is ?12,000.
For your ?12,000 investment you will receive the title deeds to a small piece of land which will never get planning consent. You can go to the different websites and look at the site map which pertains to Scholes and Cookridge west Yorkshire . There are also plots being sold in Godalming. This greenbelt land was purchased for under ?100,000. The deal was done by a man called ?Richard Willoughby? who is one of the partners of a company you will hear more about called ?ELP The English land Partnership?.
A part time architect was brought in who then divided this land into small plots of around one tenth of an acre. There are some 190 little plots on this site which have sold for between ?12,000 and ?30,000 this will return almost three million not bad hey for an initial layout of ?100,000? (The site has now been sold. Where is the three million? It?s in Spain somewhere)
The map looks even better when you draw little houses on it with trees etc, but remember this is still greenbelt land and as yet has not received planning consent. The map looks better still when you draw the word ?sold? over 60-70% of it and then ?reserved? on the rest.
Before I go into further detail about the scam and money laundering operation, allow me to give you some background on the people behind this particular company. (By the way the company was liquidated just before the DTI was going to close them down). Contact Paul Simpson senior investigator for the DTI on 0161 952 4497 he will put you in the picture.
Capital land Bank Ltd (CLB), is now trading as The English land Partnership (ELP)
Kevin Jones
Stephen Quayle
Ian McCallum
Richard Willoughby
Peter sage
o   Kevin Jones (The big Boss. Just served 5 years in prison for major fraud. This man is the main man responsible for another Scam which was called ?The ostrich farming corporation? which was closed down by the DTI) Kevin owns The English Land Partnership the company, but cannot operate it in his name because of his criminal history, therefore he operates it at a distance. Interesting fact: He now drives a Rolls Royce. How does he do this, as he does not appear as a partner but is in the London office everyday?
o   Ian McCallum (Front Man) currently has everything in his name because Mr. Jones has just finished his parole after serving a 5 year prison sentence for serious fraud. (he was also involved in the ostrich scam, best friend with Kevin Jones)
o   Stephen Quayle (Kevin?s right hand man, also a former Ostrich Farming Scam member)) A very sharp cookie indeed, manipulative and cleaver in sending the profits of the English land partnership overseas.
These three people above were all involved at the very highest level in the ostrich farming scam that was closed down by the DTI a few years ago.
o   Peter sage (Investor & former partner) Details of Peter Sage enclosed. Has been banned as acting as a company director for 5 years (just finished) currently being closely watched by the police. He now owns and runs Profitable Plots.
o   (Peter Sage has sold profitable plots and now lives in Canada )
o   Richard Willoughby (Calls himself an expert on Land Acquisitions) Tells people he was totally independent of CLB, this is not true, now that CLB has been wound up he appears on the ELP website. A Land Acquisitions buyer and seller, who on the surface appears to be cleaner than a preacher?s sheet, Totally aware that all the partners have criminal records, but he does not care as he gets paid large sums of cash to keep quiet.
This is how the scam works:
o   You take a field of greenbelt land (any size will do) which you buy for peanuts.
o   1 acre of greenbelt land (approximate value ?5,000)
o   You then divide this into smaller plot sizes of around a tenth of an acre
o   You do this by drawing up a map with the help of an architect
o   Now you have what looks like a map of little plots
o   You then draw little houses on the map to make it look nice and legitimate
o   Then you sell these plots as potential 3-4 bedroom plots at pre-planning prices
o   You then further baffle them with terminology, telling them the (UDP) Unitary development programme states that planning permission will be inevitable.
o   You tell people that although there is no current planning permission, this land is next in line to get it
o   There is NO guarantee that planning will ever be approved (Please call Leeds council and ask them)
o   You then tell people who telephone in from your advertising campaign that this is prime greenbelt land and that you have inside information that it will get planning consent.
o   You then take anything from ?12,000 to ?30,000 for a plot of land that has a value of lass than ?500 (and the land is not even good enough to fly a kite on)
o   One person even paid over ?150,000 for 10 plots and received a discount.
o   Six months later the same client paid a further ?280,000.
So back to the story
When Capital Land bank (CLB) was first formulated, the partners approached their own contacts and told them that they were going to create a brilliant Land banking company. The affiliates could all pay as little as ?6,000 for a plot of prime greenbelt land (half price) and that they could sit on it as an investment or CLB would sell it for them and they would split the commission.
Example: The initial investors two years ago could buy a plot of land ?6,000 (true value less than ?400) Capital Land bank Ltd would then sell it on their behalf for ?12,000 and the proposal was that the affiliate would share the profit ?3,000 each. Not bad hey. But they would also guarantee that if they did not sell the land they would give the affiliate10% interest on their investment after six months.
Do you think that this was ever honoured? Over 50+ people have been ripped off.
A customer who came to one of their slick presentation in London recognised Kevin Jones and must have informed the DTI, just as the DTI moved in to close the company down, they liquidated CLB and all of the money and assets disappeared.
Within one month a new company was formed called ?The English land partnership? ELP same people, but this time a non limited company. Apparently the DTI do not have any jurisdiction on Partnerships only Limited companies. The trading standards however have powers but they either don?t have the time or they simply don?t care. All of the 50 plus people who invested between ?6,000 and ?30,000 have never received any money back. Since CLB ( Capital Land bank) no longer exists people were basically told to whistle for their money.
Since the launch of Capital Land bank and Landbanking concept the partners have now split, and they have all gone their separate ways.
From this initial company three other companies have been formulated, and guess what none of them have any experience in Land Acquisitions, they are as follows:-
1. The English land partnership www.theenglishlandpartnership.com
Address:
1 Berkeley Street
London
W1J 8DJ Telephone: 0870 225 0010 Fax: 0870 225 0011

Current Partners,
Kevin Jones
Stephen Quayle
Ian McCallum
Richard Willoughby (Possibly the biggest crook of them all)
2. Perfect Plots www.buyengland.com
The Profitable Plot Company Ltd,
Address: Bramcote House, Ervington Court , Meridian Business Park, Leicester , LE19 1WL , United Kingdom
UK Office 0800 043 44 45    *Outside UK Dial +44 116  282 2140
Fax +44 116 263 1468  Sole Owner, Peter Sage (but now operates it at a distance and does not appear on the memorandums and articles of association)
3.      Hayden James www.haydenjames.co.uk/about.htm
Head Office
Manvers House
Pioneer Close
Wath Upon Dearne
South Yorkshire
S63 7JZ
Sales Office                               This is a mailing address used to make the
The Business Centre                                    business feel important
Empire House
175 Piccadilly
Mayfair
London
W1J 9TB
Tel No: 0870-80-80-118
Fax No: 0870-22-50-060
Email: enquiries@haydenjames.co.uk
The Two Partners of Hayden James,
Mandy Lewis (Peter Sage?s ex-girlfriend)
Domenic Jones (Kevin Jones?s son)
(I wonder where these two youngsters were able to find the money to set up their own Landbanking Company as Domenic is just 23 and Mandy is aged 28 and broke.). Not now though.
And finally, another man called ?Stephen Cleeve? who used to work as the manger of The English Land Partnership has decided to set up his own company. After his initial training by Stephen Quayle, he then one morning decided to jump ship and start his own company now called ?ELS? The European Land Sales Partnership. Well, you know what they say ?No honour amongst thieves?
When he parted with them he took half of their sales force, nice hey!!
All of these companies use the same tactics and strategies to take money off people for land that does not have planning permission. In some cases they are all selling the same land which is located in Leeds (you should speak with Leeds council and see what they have to say, they have been bombarded with calls from people). Also look at the land these people are selling Cookridge and Scholes. You should also speak to the residence in that area, some of the land has been sold many times over.
Someone needs to put a stop to this as people are loosing money. Any type of land that is greenbelt land is just that, greenbelt land. You cannot call it prime or platinum grade land because greenbelt land no matter what label you place on it does not have planning consent.
None of these so called land companies intend on paying any kind of tax, and all the sales people working for them are self employed. Monies from ELP (The English Land Partnership) are being sent to Spain and re-invested in other projects.
If you look into ELP?s bank account you will find that they never hold money just in case they get caught.
On a final note: Profitable Plots and The English Land Partnership have the same land for sale, yet if you look at the website of Profitable Plots it condemns the so called plot owners association, if so then why does it have and has had the same land for sale (Cookridge, Scholes and Everton)Huh?
Here is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2006/01_january/23/inside_out.shtml
There are many people doing this in England , the land will never get planning permission!!
http://www.stephencleeve.com/
http://money.scotsman.com/scotsman/articles/articledisplay.jsp?section=Mortgages&article_id=3316174

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« Reply #102 on: August 04, 2008, 09:02:10 AM »

Hi there ... have any of you worked with IP Global? They have helped me invest in numerous markets and provide huge investment reports containing all info needed and also help you manage the entire purchase and ongoing processes. They also put their own money into every product they sell!!!!! I have a friend who works there and I have recommended her to friends and family - their business model is great and I have seen some good returns (although IP will never provide guarantees ... noone has a crystal ball!). I would say they are definitely worth a look (my friend is called Sarah) if you are interested in property investments.

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« Reply #103 on: December 14, 2008, 11:45:22 AM »

I've met the founder of IP Global, not a bad guy, but I'm not impress by the properties they market.

I did checkout some of their projects in HCMC, Vietnam. 

For one project, it's right in the middle of the Chinatown....mind you, the HCM chinatown is rather different from chinatown in the major South East Asia capital cities.  There is not way to get their projected returns from rental as no expats will want to rent in the area and locals won't pay high rent for the area since it's not the area of growth.

Redevelopment of the area will be slow and will face much resistence from locals.  Their projected returns is only possible via inflation.

Another project is on the southern bank, but was sold out by the time I learn about it.  There are more potential for capital appreciation but greater markup by IP Global too.

It seem to me that IP's model is to request a number of units from developers to market globally.  They put a huge mark-up on the projects since most of their clients are unable to access the project directly. They pick fast growing fast cities and is probably possible to show some good returns on some projects, but having no control over the projects they market is too much a risk to me.

Remember, good projects in HCM were flipped many times by locals within weeks after launch.  The projects marketed by IP won't even sell locally in HCM....

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